The RARE Values For Leadership with Hellicy Ng’ambi

We have Hellicy Ng’ambi. She is the first female vice-chancellor at a public university in Zambia ever. It is going to be a really interesting show. She is one of the most amazing women.

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The RARE Values For Leadership with Hellicy Ng’ambi

I am here with Hellicy Ng’ambi who is the first female vice-chancellor at a public university in Zambia. It’s nice to have you here, Hellicy. Welcome.

Thank you very much, Diane.

I’m really looking forward to chatting with you because our good friend, Dr. Maja Zelihic, has been on my show. She had wonderful things to say about you, as did Jeff Bordes who’s been on my show. They have told me what an impressive background that you have to be the first female vice-chancellor in Zambia. That’s a pretty big deal. A lot of people would like to know more about what led to you being able to be the first female vice-chancellor. How did you get to that level that you were able to achieve that?

In terms of me becoming the first vice-chancellor, I did not plan on becoming the first vice-chancellor. This just happened. I have been working in various institutions, first in Zambia, Botswana, South Africa and even the US with a dream to one day become the vice-chancellor. That dream was there. I was working with South Africa on mentorship programs to ensure that I can provide the leadership that is required and also mentors other people to become the best they can ever be. In doing that, I did quests for leadership. To understand what leadership is, what it’s all about, how to lead other people, how to mentor others, I started studying, reading and working with one major emphasis, how can I add value in whatever I do? Whatever I was doing, my quest was to add value. How can I help another person become the best they can ever be? In doing that, I started working towards becoming a leader but also leading others to become leaders. I ended up in different positions, especially at the University of South Africa where I ended up becoming Executive Dean of one of the largest colleges in that university with a student population of 200,000. The members of staff that were reporting to me were almost 995 to be specific that were in my college.

I started doing the best that I could to show our college and the rest of South Africa to help us in empowering especially Africans, not just South Africa but in the continent to learn, to go to school, to go to university, especially to the open-distance learning module that the University of South Africa uses. In doing that, that’s what probably also helped me to also become one of the Africans appointed on the American Council on Education program. They had never taken people from Africa to come to the US on an ACE program. I was one of the four out of the 52 that were chosen to come to the US. I was sent to Willamette University and I shadowed Lee Pelton. From that, I gained more experience as to what it means to be the president of the university because Lee Pelton was then the President of Willamette University in Salem. I was there for about a year or so. All that helped me to end up becoming the vice-chancellor. When they advertised the position in Zambia, I applied. I competed with about ten people and the rest is history, so here I am. I was humbled when I received a letter from the minister saying, “Congratulations for being the first female vice-chancellor of a public university in Zambia,” a country that has been independent at that time for about 50 years.

I’m interested in the background that you have because I’ve heard some stories about some interesting things that you’ve done. What comes to mind is an article I saw. It was in Forbes, but I can’t remember exactly where I saw it. They were talking about how you stand up for yourself. You stand up for what’s right and you challenged the University of Zambia’s policy of providing faculty housing to married men but not to married women. I read the note you wrote to them to address your concern and it was nicely written. I loved how you appealed to their sense of logic. Can you tell a little bit about that story?

The University of Zambia had policies at that time saying I worked at the University of Zambia. My first academic career as faculty, I taught at the University of Zambia. It was then Ndola Campus. Now, it’s called Copperbelt University. There were policies in terms of accommodation, “We can only give accommodation to married men, not married women. If you’re a married woman, you must go and live with your husband.” We’re at the same level lecturing or teaching but if you are female, there is no accommodation. My husband did have a house nearby. Since they are telling me that my husband must have accommodation, I’ll follow the instructions without fighting. I’m not violent.

I decided to write, “Thank you very much. You disposed my request for accommodation. I appreciate it and that you recognized me as a married woman. Thank you for recognizing. Since I’m married and you know of my duties, I’m supposed to cook for my husband, I’m supposed to take care of my children and I do all those things. I’m also asking you that from now onwards, I will no longer be coming to work at 8:00 because I have to first cook for my husband. Thereafter, I’ll leave work around 11:00 so I can go and prepare lunch for my husband. I can only be at work for a certain number of hours because I’m a married woman, which you have recognized so I’m going to take care of my husband. Thank you very much for letting me know that you cannot accommodate those as a married woman, act as a married woman so I’ll work certain hours because I’ll be attending to my husband and children as a married woman. I cannot teach five courses, I can only teach two courses as a result of being a married woman. Thank you very much for bringing that to my attention.”

I wrote that letter and I gave it to them. I looked at my office hours and they are only letting to the time that I indicated in the letter. I was moved from 9:00 to 11:00. They responded and gave me the keys to the house and allocated a new house. That was the second one. That was after I had come back to teach. The first one was when I was going to study at Ball State University in Muncie, Indiana. I got a scholarship. All along the policy was that if you get a scholarship, you can go with your spouse. You can go with your wife, not husband. All the form said, “If you got a scholarship, you can go with your wife.” When I was going, I asked my husband, “You’ll try to come to meet me?” He said, “Sure, why not. I’ll definitely come with you.” I went to them and I said, “My husband wants to come with me.” They said, “Are you nuts? Are you out of your mind for your husband to come with you? All the forms said, ‘And his wife.’ There is no form that says, ‘And your husband,’ so you can’t go with your husband.”

I said, “How can that be? When I come back, I’m going to teach the same as the men are going to teach. I’m going on a scholarship to do my post-graduate studies like men are doing so you can go there. I can’t go with mine?” They said, “No because the forms don’t say that.” I said, “In that case, then it means you don’t need me to go on this program to come and teach. If you valued my teaching, you would allow me as well to go with my spouse.” We went again and I said, “Are there any negotiations of some kind?” Eventually, they agreed and my husband accompanied me to Ball State University at Muncie, Indiana. That was the first ever that a woman had gone with their husbands for studies.

You have a proactive way of dealing with issues that maybe other people would be afraid to focus on because things have always been a certain way. I like your strength that you question, “Why does it have to be this way?” It seems they understand it because you put it in such a logical way that it doesn’t seem to offend them that you want to make changes. It makes them open up their minds to, “Why does it have to be done that way?” I love the way you do that. That’s unique. A lot of people would just go along. I’m interested in your philosophy that you referred to as RARE for leadership. Leadership should be responsible, accountable, relevant and ethical. If those are your values for leaders, how did you come up with that? Is that your own philosophy or is that somebody else’s philosophy you follow?

I came up with that philosophy. That philosophy comes like something from my wanting to go and do. I did my second Master’s degree at the University of South Florida. That’s what I was doing in leadership and organizational effectiveness. As I was doing that, there were questions I was having in my mind. One of the questions was something to do with my continent. Africa is one of the richest continents in terms of minerals and natural resources. When I did my research, I could see that we provide the majority of the resources as a continent to sustain the global village with rich resources. I said, “Why are we so poor when the continent is so rich in resources that sustain most of it in terms of the global village? We’re so poor in every aspect of it.” I decided to try to study it. In my studies, I discovered that we have the best value systems. We rank not being an awful business but in the terms of my study, I was focusing on what we, as a continent, would do as Africa. I thought, “What value systems are we lacking?” Something was missing in these analogies and in the leadership missing link was the values. It was not that people are not competent or it was not that people are not intelligent, they were intelligent and competent but there was something missing and that was the value system. As I was studying and trying to look at the state of things, I realized, “If they’re not responsible for ourselves and for whomever they interact with, they are not accountable for them, so they make the choices to themselves and even to the people they interact with.”

They’re not relevant. Their family’s not adding value to be relevant in whatever they are doing, but just to see how much they can get for themselves. They are not ethical in their conduct. I coined RARE. They are not RARE. They’re not responsible, accountable, relevant and ethical. If you’re a responsible person, you cannot go about wanting to kill another person, wanting to steal from another person or wanting to cheat another person. If you’re accountable for what your actions are doing and your decisions, you do not want to steal, kill or something else. If you are wanting to add the value or you want to do something, so you can’t destroy another person. If you’re ethical in your conduct, then most of us have a happy life. Your behavior will be integrated so that you will be able to sustain whatever it is you do. You do not want to steal, to amass wealth for yourself if you’re in a leadership or to try and destroy other people in your leadership. You want to build with them. That’s how we coined the RARE value systems. You must be responsible, accountable, relevant and ethical. Furthermore, you must lead in totality. You must lead with the head, the heart and the hands.

With the head, you put your intellect. With your heart, you apply emotional intelligence and everything else. You are able to empower others to be better than they can ever be by also leading by example. You must balance your totality. That’s why I coined RARE total leadership, leading with the head, heart and hands. In terms of the values system, the RARE values as a group that would make you sustain whatever it is that you do if you want to succeed. Make sure that whatever you do, other people can gain out of it and become the best that they ever can be and also sustain their careers, their entrepreneurship, whatever it is they are doing. People should be able to know this is somebody I can trust and depend on to help develop and sustain any development. That’s how we coined the RARE value system, which fortunately my university, when I talked to them about it and explained to them the importance of it, my council of the university approved and said, “These are the value systems we want to implement at Mulungushi University.” At the Mulungushi University, we say we are RARE.

Culture comes from above and I love that you’re institutionalizing that because it’s important. You have some other things that you’ve included that I thought were interesting. I don’t know if you said UNISA, but you introduced a required course called Sustainability and Greed for all students in the College of Economics and Management Sciences. What is that? I want to teach that. That sounds fun, but it’s important. I want to hear about it.

I introduced RARE at UNISA, in the College of Economic and Management Sciences. That’s where I introduced it. At UNISA, that was our signature course at the College of Economic and Management Sciences. We realized that even in terms of the economy, there was some greed there and there was some change in sustainability. Let’s introduce a course that would be talking to each and every student, over 200,000 students in our college as a compulsory course to teach them that if you are responsible, if you are just going for greed for me and myself and not think of anybody else, you will not sustain yourself. Even leadership without followers is not leadership. If you don’t clear clear to value those people who should support you, you have no followers and you would not sustain your leadership if you become greedy.

To sustain it, you must be able to know that whatever you’re doing, you’re not compromising. You’re not compromising yourself. You are not using shortcuts. That’s how we say, “Let’s come up with this course of Sustainability and Greed as a signature course that all our students will take and go through that to never ever do what others did to bring the whole world economy on what it needs because of the aspects of greed. We also introduced a similar course at Mulungushi University. This one is a university-wide signature course called Ethics and Sustainable Behavior in Society. That’s what we call it at Mulungushi University. In that, we include teaching RARE values, non-violent communication, how to resolve conflicts and things like that. All of that is packaged in that course to help people gauge a values system that is appropriate, acceptable and sustainable at the end of the day.

I’ve taught a lot of ethics courses and what you bring in is some aspects that I haven’t seen in some of the ethics courses I’ve taught. I love that you combine that. I love the title to get people interested. Mulungushi University is one of three public universities in Zambia. It previously was a college. In Zambia’s higher education, they only take in 5,000 students per year. Is that true? How do you determine how many people?

There isn’t a limit as to the number of students that you can have. Mulungushi University now has 6,000 students. We’re aiming for about 10,000 students, including open-distance learning. We have half of those students on residential and the half with open distance learning module.

I’ve taught a lot of the open-learning distance education along with Dr. Maja Zelihic. I know that she is a Fulbright Specialist now and she is coming to do a project with my dean that I’ve worked with at the Forbes School of Business. Mr. Bob Daugherty is the Dean at the Forbes School of Business and Maja is the Program Chair for the MAOM at the Forbes School of Business. They’re coming out to do a project hosted in December. I want to know what that’s all about. What will you be doing with Mr. Daugherty and Dr. Zelihic at your event? What is this all about?

This is about empowering business leadership and global leaders. I’m excited that Bob and Maja are coming to Mulungushi University. They are both Fulbright scholars. We are going to have a seminar workshop. That will be top management, middle management, students, educational leaders and all that. You interact with them and view that capacity to understand that in as much as we don’t want the society to copy styles from the West, but you should see what you can learn from them. If there’s anything, then you try to use it to localize it for the African continent. Also, exchange what it is we have in Africa that people elsewhere can also benefit from. For example, they are going to be talking a lot about leadership, the female leaders, how you are able to excel as a female leader. In terms of education, you are responsible for teaching many people. How are you going to be able to gauge your capacity for the future and all the wonderful programs? It’s going to be engaging.

We’ll also have a round table with one of the top people joining us. That is the secretary to the cabinet. It’s the highest civil servant we call them. He reports directly to the president. He’s also going to be there on the second day among the panelist to answer certain questions and to direct everyone else and also to learn from each other and see how best we can be able to develop our country, Zambia, to the level we want it to be. We believe that Zambia at this time should not be where it is right now. We should have been very much developed but we need to put it together and see how best can we governate our human resources, our intellect, everything that we have plus what we have learned elsewhere to build up Zambia to be sustainable and to develop the country as well. We also want Mulungushi University to be also one of the major contributors. At the end of the day, universities are the engine rooms for knowledge, innovations and all that. We want Mulungushi University to be such one. This event is in a beautiful and serene environment, so we believe we could do that.

Both Bob Daugherty and Maja Zelihic are Fulbright Specialists. That should be an amazing event to have them come in and share their knowledge. I’ve done some research with Maja and she is impressive. You deal with Jeff Bordes and his group. He’s been on the show and he’s impressive. I’m looking at all the people who have told me about what you’ve done. They all have amazing stories about you. When I talked to Maja about you, I said, “What’s an interesting thing you know about Hellicy?” She said, “Have her tell you a compelling story about when she was a kid and had to swim across the river to get to school.” I’m curious to hear that story.

I come from a place that’s very local, a village with no amenities that we take for granted now. We have got electricity. We have got running water in houses. The village I grew up in did not have all of those things. Up to now, electricity is still not there. To go to school, unfortunately there was a big river. We had to cross that river but also walk. It was a weekly boarding school. You go on Sunday, you take all your food. You take the food that you’re going to use for that week. As a child, you take your cornmeal, your dried beans, your dried vegetables, your own beddings, clothes and a small mat. When you go to that school, you cook for yourself. You go to school. You go out and take firewood from the bush to cook for yourself as well as water. There’s no running water and there’s no electricity. Even at night when you want to study, you have to use paraffin and make a lamp with a cloth. You go to school for those days. We had a large obstacle, the river. This was a wide river. What happens is that if you want to go to school you have to cross that river. If it rains where the river comes to and you are in the middle of the river, the water can come. If you are not able to swim because it comes with so much force, it can sweep you away. I lost some of my friends in that river. They died because they were not strong enough, struggling with the food on your head, the things that you want to survive for the week. The water is coming in strong. It’s likely to sweep you.

We lost some people in that river. You go on Sunday, then come back on Friday to replenish what you are going to be eating. It was hectic years. That is the river. Maja and Jeff were the two wonderful people that I’ve known in my life, two wonderful leaders that I’ve known. I was telling them one of these days I should take them to my village and show them the river I used to cross. Most of the parents stopped their child from going to school because it was too dangerous because these are their child trying to struggle to cross. It was dangerous for their child, so the parents would stop them and say, “Just get married.” My dad said, “It’s up to you. If you want to stop and be like grandma so-and-so or you want to risk and become better.” I chose to risk it so that I can become better in life and maybe help my parents, which I did. In terms of that story, that is my beginnings. They also helped me maybe to survive a lot of things because I went through a very hard beginning as a child. Not knowing that if I died in that river up to day, Zambia would not be having a female vice-chancellor in the public universities. Sometimes you look back and you say, “I thank God I persevered to this level. At least I can start now mentoring other women, mentoring other girls and helping them, inspiring them to become the best they can be and not give up irrespective of the obstacles they face in life.

How old were you at that time when you’re doing that?

I was about seven or eight.

To have that drive at such a young age, to know you wanted to be better and to succeed, it’s interesting to me for my research because I research curiosity and what gives people drive and motivation. It sounds like your father helped open up that world for you. He gave you that option to explore if you wanted to and not be held back. Do you credit your father, your parents or your family with developing a sense of curiosity in you? Have you always been a curious-driven person?

My dad helped me. He was also a diligent man. He’s the one who pushed me. He would even motivate us. This might sound funny, but at that time in the village, my dad would say, “If you pass very well, let’s say for example you are top of the class, I’ll give you a hen. You can decide whether to eat it up or to keep it so that you can have eggs and have more chicken. It’s your decision.” By that time, I was about nine or ten to say, “If I keep this hen, it will have eggs and I’ll have more chickens. I can eat more chickens and sell some and have some money to take to school. Buy the little things in the rural village where the school was.” He was one of the major reasons that I come here because he inspired me, he pushed me to the limit and said, “You can do this.” He kept on saying, “It’s up to you but you can do it.” He also gave me that sense of keeping me to make my own decisions even as a girl child at that age. That has helped me a lot as well.

I acknowledge my parents. My mother would walk especially when I went to local high school from primary school, I had to go by bus. We didn’t have a lot of money, so we have to sell things. You have the local drinks that you would brew and then sell and make some money so we can have transport. My mom would travel. Go and sow peanuts as ground nuts, which we are going to sell them so that we can have transport money for me to travel to go to school. That was going to high school in grade eight, nine, ten and up. It was a struggle. It only started becoming a little bit better at the time when my older brother was able to come and help my parents. When he finished school and started working, “That is Mr. Ng’ambi now helping me.” Before that, it was hectic.

Your father did this for you as a girl child. You used the word girl before child. Was there a difference in how parents treated their boys versus their girls in terms of teaching them when you were growing up, what they were capable of achieving?

Yes, there was. The boys were pushed. The boys would tell, “You cannot do this because you’re a boy.” The girls are supposed to be weak and also you can get married. By getting married, your parents can get dowry. When you get married, you get financial gain. They’ll give you cows or cattle. The parents can push their daughter to get married so that they can be able to get rich at that time. It’s more tradition but at the end of the day, it’s the tradition but it enriched the parents by the man you are marrying. Quite a number of people did not see the importance of a girl going that path. She is going to get married anyway so she might as well get married now and they get my dowry. Whereas a boy must go to school because he will be the one to take care of the family as a man and get rich or whatever. In that time, it was mostly the boys that were pushed to go to school, not the girls. Now it’s changing. My parents helped me to break that barrier saying, “You could do that. You can go.” They would tell me, “Do you want to look like grandma so-and-so? Grandma so-and-so has a small house, a small hut and it’s so disappointing. Do you like that or not?” “Not.” My dad would say, “Go, take the risk.” That’s why I thank my parents for that.

I was in sales my whole life and we would paint a picture for somebody if we were trying to sell them something. Your father is doing that. He’s painting a picture in your mind, “This is what your future will be like. This is what your future could be like.” There are people ahead of their time sometimes. I’ve had Roya Mahboob on my show who was voted by Time Magazine as one of the most influential people in the world. Her family supported her to get an education to women in Afghanistan. You’re doing similar things with what you’re doing in Africa to open up a world in a way that women haven’t seen education. I know you’re trying to do more with online education. I’m wondering what the challenges are that you have to reach people in Africa. I was at an event and Maja was hosting a panel where they were talking about cloud first. Skipping all the things and having everything in the cloud before having to go through all these other motions. I don’t know if you have the hardware available to connect to get everything up to the cloud in Africa because I don’t know if they have the stations or whatever the term is to be able to get everything electronic and up into the cloud. Are you having any issues with trying to offer online education in Africa? Is it as easy as anywhere else? What are your unique problems there?

Our major challenge is the infrastructure. For example, the connectivity in terms of electricity, which we take for granted. As a result of that, it’s difficult for somebody or everybody will be able to access online education. Now, it’s getting better. The Zambian government is trying to reach out to the most rural areas. Even in terms of the road system, the road infrastructure they are waiting on that to make sure that even the rural areas can be reached. They are also giving electricity to all the rural areas. We are not yet there but at least there’s a strategy now in place that will help. That’s one of the challenges it’s more infrastructure that has been the challenge to reach out to the rural areas we would like to. It’s far much better now than it was before, or at least in my time when I was still in the rural areas. To show them the Astria Learning Edu Tabs, now we can try to say if we can manage Edu Tab, if they are not online, they can be able to study with the Edu Tabs as long as they are able to get the battery and charge the Edu Tab.

Astria Learning and Dr. Jeff Bordes is helping to get us to reach out. This is a wonderful partnership with Astria Learning. It’s helping. We are getting a giant also on our team, Dr. Maja. She’s a wonderful and hardworking person. These two people I believe will help us in the continent to go far. Astria Learning has even sponsored some students, have given scholarships to some students at the university. They’ve called the scholarship the Hellicy Ng’ambi Scholarship because of the story to support students who are smart but underprivileged that Astria Learning through Jeff Bordes are supporting or helping. There are people out there that are helping us walk that extra mile, to build this continent to become what it can be. With me, specifically in Zambia now, my heart wants to do something right, to help the smart and the underprivileged not to miss out on what they can be or how they can contribute to the development of this particular nation or on the continent of Africa.

Now that you’re the vice-chancellor, is there a period of time that this lasts that you’re in this position or is it up to you? What’s the next step? What would you do after this?

I don’t know yet. This one is only two terms. The vice-chancellor is like presidents, it’s only two terms. I’m in my second term now. I’ve got about two years and ten months to go for me in this particular position. Thereafter, I’m thinking of going to consultancy and follow my passion. Move around, talk to people about the values and how they can improve their lives and become the best they could ever be. My thinking this once my two years and ten months are over. We’ll see, anything can happen in that time. I’d like to see how I can help and uplift the underprivileged who are smart out there. Especially the girl child out there so we can claim our space, where we can contribute equally because it’s a waste of resources. If 50% or 52% of your resources, which is the female, are not being utilized, it’s a waste of resources. You cannot develop any nation to its best if we don’t use half of your resources, in this case, the female. It’s not even just a nice thing to do. It’s an economic imperative to make sure that our female develops as much as our male children do to sustain our future. That is my passion.

That’s an unbelievable goal and it’s important. You’re dealing with women at a certain age because once they get to the university level, they’re a certain age. What do you think needs to be done at a younger age? Do you have any plans for reaching out to younger individuals? Are you always going to work with the higher education?

This is what I’ve been doing. I go to primary schools to talk to them. If I go to do something else in one place, I go to a school, I try to talk to the children about the importance of education, the importance of being persistent. The importance of wanting to become what you have dreamt to become without any hindrance, going over the hinders you but as a building block to the best that you could ever do. When you get stuck in your life, don’t think that is the end of your life. Look at it as a learning moment that will help you to improve and become better once you overcome it. Just by means and ethical ways, I always tell them on ethical ways to address it, go over it and do it. My passion is you’ve got the ability, you’ve got it in you to become what you want to become and the best that you can ever be. I talked to the young ones in schools whenever I have the chance. In my last term, I want to intensify as I’m talking to universities but also to the young ones at primary school and secondary school. Our primary school is from grade one to grade seven. Our secondary school is from grade eight to grade twelve. I try to do both levels. I’m building people who can also advise that to other people. I’m mentoring a group of people in terms of what to get or what they should be doing, so it’s not just me that’s spreading this. The ones that I’m mentoring can also go elsewhere and also spread the message of encouraging others, our children and our future leaders to become what they want to be their best.

You’re hitting people in college level so they’re going to be having children. You’re ensuring that it’s coming down through that way and you’re going to the primary and secondary school so you’re hitting it from all angles. I think that’s really important. Now, that you have Maja Zelihic and Bob Daugherty who are coming in to be Fulbright Specialists and share some information with your school when they come there, what are you hoping to achieve from them coming there?

The interaction, the exposure as well for them, for our people here. These people are Fulbright Scholars. We may not be Fulbright scholars with an American flag, but we can now be some Fulbright scholar all in context even in terms of the Zambian context. If they see people like that, they see people knowledgeable, their competencies. The way that they are expecting what they say they have done and they should, it motivates them to become the best they can. It is better for this. It’s just they must discover it is better than what they are. It is better than this. They must discover it and that will enrich them and motivate them to learn more, to gain more knowledge and to become better than what they are right now, than their current status. They’re questioning the status quo as well, so they can rise up the ladder in terms of knowledge, competencies, attitudes and behaviors and become the Fulbrights of Africa.

If somebody in Africa is reading this and they want to attend, is this open to outside the university? Where is this event and how do people find out more about this?

If people want to come, the event is in Mulungushi University. It’s in Kabwe, 40 kilometers from Lusaka. It’s in the middle of Copperbelt and Lusaka. They can contact us. They can go to our website at Mulungushi University to be there.

They can go to Mulungushi University website and they can find out more. This is in December of 2018. I’m looking forward to hearing about how well it goes. Everybody associated now has been on the show and I’m excited to hear about the progress you’re making. Hellicy, you are such an inspiration. I can see why Maja has spoken so highly of you. Thank you for sharing your stories and all that you’re doing to make education better for everybody in Africa and everywhere else. I enjoyed having you on the show. Is there anything else you’d like to share in terms of websites or anything? Is that the main website that you want to share?

The main website is www.MU.ac.zm. Mulungushi University will come up, just Google Mulungushi University and all information will come.

Thank you so much.

I appreciate it. Thank you so much. I’m humbled by your invitation to this esteemed show. To my colleagues who told you about me, Jeff Bordes and Maja, I extend my gratitude to them as well.

This was such an honor and I hope the event turns out amazingly well. I’m sure it will because I know everybody involved is great. I want to thank Hellicy for being my guest. If you want to watch this, I uploaded the video of it to YouTube. You can always go to my YouTube station at YouTube.com/DrDianeHamilton. Thank you for joining us. I hope that you join us for the next episode of Take The Lead Radio.

Important Links:

• Hellicy Ng’ambi
• Dr. Maja Zelihic – previous episode
• Jeff Bordes – previous episode
• Roya Mahboob – previous episode
• Astria Learning Edu Tabs
• www.MU.ac.zm
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Hellicy Ng’ambi is the first female vice chancellor at a public university in Zambia.

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