Reviving America Through Innovation and Reformation with Steve Forbes

An effective leader is also an innovator. Leaders know and accept that even if they are the smartest person in the room, they will have to face challenges that will come along with their responsibility. Chairman and Editor-in-Chief of Forbes Media, Steve Forbes, knows that leadership is not something that you are born with, but rather something you are born from. Even if you are surrounded by a team who shares your vision, leaders have to learn how to play without a playbook. Steve shares more of his insights about leadership and reformation that can lead to reviving America.

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This show is very interesting because we have Steve Forbes. Steve is such a nice guy to be on the show. He and I have worked together at the Forbes School of Business and Technology. I was the MBA Program Chair and I continue to work with them at their board of advisors and their speaker programs and different things, so I get to see Steve a few times a year sometimes. He is such an interesting guy. I was grateful to him because he’s going to share his information about a lot of different things. Leadership, success, his book, politics, running for presidency, you name it, we’re going to talk about it.

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Reviving America Through Innovation and Reformation with Steve Forbes

I am with Steve Forbes. He’s the Chairman and Editor-in-Chief of Forbes Media. Steve has authored many best-selling books. His latest book is titled Reviving America: How Repealing Obamacare, Replacing the Tax Code and Reforming The Fed will Restore Hope and Prosperity. Steve writes editorials for each issue of Forbes under the heading of Fact and Comment. A widely respected economic prognosticator, he is the only writer to have won the highly prestigious Crystal Owl Award four times. In both 1996 and 2000, Steve campaigned vigorously for the Republican nomination for the presidency, and key to his platform were a flat tax, medical savings account, a new social security system for working Americans, parental choice for schools for their children, term limits and a strong national defense. It’s so nice to have you, Steve. Thank you for being on my show.

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Reviving America: Reviving America : How Repealing Obamacare, Replacing the Tax Code and Reforming the Fed Will Restore Hope and Prosperity

Good to be with you, Diane. Thank you.

This show is about success and leadership, and I can’t think of many brands that have had the success you’ve had with Forbes. I know a lot of people want to hear about your political views, and I’m going to get into that. I just wanted to focus first on your success. Your family has been very successful, your father, your daughter. Do you think that you were born to be a leader or were you groomed to be one? I’m curious if your dad would have been disappointed had you not wanted to be such a big part of Forbes Media?

Some people are naturally outgoing and things like that, but real leadership comes from experience and it comes from setbacks as well. For example if you take Steve Jobs, he had to learn very painfully how to be a leader. He was the kind of guy who the human resource departments would have run away from if they didn’t know the name. He took credit for other people’s ideas, always yelling and rejecting ideas and then taking it a week later as his own. He couldn’t work with people. He rode people the wrong way. He fired them left and right. He was fired from his own company before he reached the age of 30. From that experience, thankfully he learned how to be a leader, one of the greatest leaders ever. You’re not born to it, you learn from it. The attributes are very, very simple, easy to say and hard to do, having a vision, establishing trust, knowing how to delegate authority. Sometimes payers work better than a single person. I’m talking about Jobs originally with Steve Wozniak, Brin and Page for Google, Henry Ford and James Couzens at Ford. You may do it as a payer. One of the things about leadership is that no matter how good you are, no matter how smart you are, one, you’re going to have crises and they can come from your own mistakes, from the outside forces or whatever. You’re going to face crises and sometimes you’re not going to have a playbook. You’re going to be lonely. You’re going to have to do it on your own. You may have teams working with you but you’re on your own because you are the number one.

Another thing about leadership in that respect is that, in addition to a crisis, you have to be an innovator if you want to be an effective one. I’ll give you an example of a very small way but put it under the heading more of entrepreneurship and leadership. My grandfather was an immigrant to this country, one of ten children, grade school education. When he came here over 110 years ago, he wanted to get a job as a business reporter and no one would hire him. Finally he went to an editor one day and said, “I’ll work for you for free. If I show you my worth, I trust you’ll hire me.” My grandfather had no idea whether the editor would just take the free labor and then throw him out, but my grandfather realized, if you do things the normal way, you’re going to go nowhere. Fortunately he got the job. Then as an addendum, he was so full of energy and ambition that he used another name, got a job with another publication and probably one of his happiest moments was when the two editors got into an argument as to who had the best business writer. It was my grandfather in both cases.

You have some great stories. I’ve been fortunate to be around you in a lot of settings and I am very fascinated by everything you’ve done. You talked about crisis and innovation and how leaders have to face that. What do you think was the hardest thing you’ve had to face? Was it when technology changed becoming more digital? What do you think has been hardest for you?

There’d been a challenge succeeding my father to more than 25 years ago when he was a very well-known public figure and people wondered what was going to happen now. They’re very skeptical. You hit it on the change in technology. The rise of the web just threw out almost everything we had learned about print media. Print media hasn’t much changed since the 1840’s in terms of basics and with the invention of the steam press, which made possible mass publications, magazines and newspapers. Suddenly along comes the web and Craigslist eviscerated newspaper classified ads, which started their rapid downward decline. Magazines, we were hit hard with the web. We had to remember what Peter Drucker said, the late management guru, businesses should always remind themselves, “What is your purpose? What is your mission?” If you keep reminding yourself of that, then you don’t get quite as hung up with the tools to achieve that mission change or that the scope of the mission may have been enlarged by these new tools. We developed as a separate entity. We did not make it part of print because we knew that print would, human nature being what it is, use it for its own immediate purposes and we wanted this baby to grow vigorously on its own. Then we combined the two, ten years later. It was very, very difficult, a very real culture clash, very messy but we had to do it. Today we now face challenges with mobile devices, the advertising juggernaut of Google and Facebook. As they say, we live in an era where you can eat well or sleep well but not both.

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Reviving America: We live in an era where you can eat well or sleep well but not both.

You seem to be doing things correctly and you must be doing something right. I love how you have these summits. I’ve attended quite a few of your Forbes Summits. I was at one with you where you interviewed Kim Kardashian. It’s interesting to see. I’ve seen you interview so many people and you really get a background on the people. You do research in-depth and you’ve watched her show and you’ve got into it. That must have been interesting for you. With all the people you’ve interviewed, other than politicians, who did you find the most interesting in the business world? Is there any couple of names that stood out to you? I’m curious what you liked about them.

Let me get one on the public side, which was of Margaret Thatcher. When you interview most politicos, especially in government, they have their own script. They know what they want to say to you. You can ask all the questions you want but they’re going to try to do what they want to do. It’s often a sterile exercise. However with Margaret Thatcher, she didn’t hesitate to mix it up. If you said something she didn’t agree with, she didn’t hesitate to get in an argument with you. It was natural. It was vigorous. She was highly unusual in that respect. We all know about Ronald Reagan, but another one who died recently, the former Chancellor of Germany, Helmut Kohl, who no one remembers today but he was critical for winning the Cold War in the early 1980s along with Reagan, Thatcher and Pope John Paul II. When he came into power, the German press portrayed him as this country bumpkin, bumbler, a stupid oaf. We interviewed him and we were dazzled. This guy was anything but an oaf. He was brilliant. We ran the interview on Forbes and we made clear that they shouldn’t believe the media, today we call it fake news, about the portrayal of Helmut Kohl.

In the business world, you get all sorts of interesting people especially in the investment world, people like Jack Bogle who invented indexing, Burton Malkiel who came up with the Efficient Investment Theory. We did a cover story on him over 45 years ago. There was another one, not quite a businessman a fellow named David Kahneman who got a Nobel Prize for economic psychology. He learned psychology the hard way. He’s a great advisor in the investment world. Everyone turns to him, especially money managers, for insights on how markets react and how people react. His story was amazing. He is Jewish, grew up in France, and when he was six years old, the Germans occupied Paris. He and his parents had to wear the Star of David. The Jewish residents of Paris had a 6 PM curfew. If you were seen outdoors after 6 PM, you were done. He was playing with a friend, a six-year-old, time passed and suddenly he realized it was after 6. He knew he better try to get home because his parents would look for him and they might be arrested, and he’d never see them again. What he did was he took a sweater with the Star of David and turned it inside-out. He put it on and hoped no one would notice and he could walk home and nothing would happen.

As he was walking home, the nightmare happened. He spotted the black uniform. That was the uniform of the German SS who did the Holocaust. He thought, “This is it.” The guy came over to him, looked at him, lifted him up, and then hugged him and said to the kid, “You remind me of my son at home. I’m so glad to see you.” He showed him a picture of his son. Meanwhile, the kid was hoping that this German officer wouldn’t feel the Star of David inside his sweater. Here was a guy who if he’d seen the Star of David would be quite happy to kill him, but because he reminded him of his son, he was hugging him and he got home all right. He recognized this is a very strange world we live in.

You must have so many stories that you’ve heard. Your days have got to be very fascinating from all the people you talk to and all your experiences. I remember the first time we met. I remember asking you what it was like to run for president. You’ve done that twice now, so I’m curious not only what your day is like, but would make you want to do something like that? That’s a tough job to have. What made you want that job?

Things often don’t go according to script in life. Back in the early 1990s, I had no intention of running for public office. At the time, I was heading up an organization called Empower America which was a reform organization founded by Jack Kemp, Jeane Kirkpatrick and Bill Bennett to be a think tank, come up with policies, pro-growth Reagan-esque economic and foreign policies. We all saw it as a vehicle to prepare for Jack Kemp’s run for president in 1996.He had run in ’88. He was very well-known for the tax-cutting work. His tax plan was the basis for Reagan’s tax cuts in the early 1980s. We all assumed we were going to run in ’96 and we were going to provide the research backbone for it and advocate the policies he would advocate. In December of ’94, he called us into his office and we thought he was then going to tell us we’re going to disband the organization, we’re going to go out and start this thing. He shocked us. He said he wasn’t going to run. We were blown away. I looked around for a pro-growth Reagan, Kemp-like candidate, optimistic, didn’t find any. I thought, “Instead of complaining about it, do it yourself.” I guess I was taking a page from my grandfather who was a business writer and he wrote about movers and shakers and he finally decided he wanted to be one himself, which is why he founded Forbes Media. He just didn’t want to write about entrepreneurs, he wanted to become one himself. Instead of just writing about political issues, I decided to get at it myself.

You definitely are an expert. I am always amazed by the insights you have on politics. How do you feel about the political climate, how it’s changed in your lifetime? What do you like and dislike about what you’ve seen in those changes?

What is amazing is the intensity, especially on the left. The intensity of how the people hold their views almost as if it’s personal, it’s religion, and how you cannot countenance any differing opinion. If you were at a party and you want to wreck it, just start talking politics. Once upon a time, back in the old days, they told people, “At a dinner party, you don’t discuss religion. You don’t discuss politics. You don’t discuss sex.” No one’s interested in religion, not many people anymore and they don’t discuss it publicly. Politics, perhaps we should bring that taboo back.

I saw an article you wrote about Arizona. I live in Arizona. You were making some predictions about how they were growing here in terms of industry. It reminded me of the Forbes Summit I attended when you interviewed Steve Case, the creator of AOL. It was a Midwest conference and you were saying that the Midwest was the former Silicon Valley because innovation used to be there before, now it’s in California more. Where do you see Arizona? Do you see the next Silicon Valley somewhere else?

The Valley still has the mystique, just as in the early 1800s when the Industrial Revolution was getting underway, the City of Manchester England became the symbol of industrialization, and so too Silicon Valley, the same thing today. There are many other centers. You’ll find them in Austin Texas, Provo, Utah, and all around the country. That’s the nice thing about high tech, it can disseminate. Even though the Valley is still very, very important and is strong enough to survive the crazy government policies in California, I don’t know how long that will last. So far, they have been vigorous enough. One of the things my friend, John Tamny, who writes for Forbes, has pointed out and others have pointed out is that in Silicon Valley, you have more business failures there than in any other part of the country. We think of failure as stagnation. There, it’s a sign of vigorous life, people constantly trying new things. The ones that succeed do mightily well, but most don’t. That kind of vigor when people say, “We must save businesses,” in Silicon Valley, they shoot them every day and yet it’s one of the most dynamic wealth creators, technology creators in the world. You need constant experimentation to make progress. High tech is all over the place. One of the high tech centers of the world that is soon to rival, in some ways, Silicon Valley is the State of Israel, of 8 million people in terms of listings on Nasdaq. Other than the US, there are more listings of Israeli companies than any other country in the world. Technology startups, they are a high tech powerhouse, 8 million people. They do more than the continent of Europe with 500million people.

There are so many factors to take into account when you do predictions. I know you’re talking about that country and other places becoming the next big thing. You won that prestigious Crystal Owl Award four times. What kinds of things have you had to predict to win that honor? Is it things like this where you’re seeing the next up-and-coming area? What do you have to do to win that?

When they had the prize, it was an annual one, and they’d get journalists together each year, the US Steel Corporation. They have since retired years ago but they would get together and you would predict what was going to happen in the coming year, what the stock market would be, unemployment, GDP, steel production and a number of other items. Whoever got the most right won the prize.

I want to talk about your book a little bit because I had interviewed John Tamny and we have worked within the same settings with him and he was very interesting about his thoughts on The Fed. I know your latest book is about replacing tax code and reforming The Fed. You stated that there were three big reforms we needed to address. Can you explain what those are and how to fix them?

Healthcare, we do need a system that is more oriented to the patient. I hope the Republicans who are trying to live up to their moniker as the stupid party, flounder on healthcare. I think eventually they’ll do something but they should recognize, just as the old cliché, “Rome wasn’t built in a day.” You’re not going to reform healthcare system in a day, but there are a lot of useful steps you can take to put more power in the hands of the patient. The problem with healthcare is that it’s all third party. Insurers, government, Medicare, Medicaid, VA, it’s the big companies and there’s a disconnect between the patient and the doctor. Hospitals know their revenues come not from pleasing you, the patient, but from how well they negotiate with the third parties, insurers who want to get big so they can better negotiate with hospital change. The patient is on the bottom of this food chain and the proof of it is the lousiest motel in America wouldn’t dare put you in a room with another sick guest with a curtain in between.

We recommend in the book a variety of ideas to start getting the patient back in charge. One is nationwide shopping for health insurance so you get hundreds of companies competing for your business. Right now, if you live in Arizona, you can’t buy a policy offered say in Colorado, which is ridiculous. You can buy an automobile in New Mexico but you can’t buy the insurance. We have to invoke the Interstate Commerce Clause and have a nationwide competition. Another thing, equal tax treatment. Unless you’re a self-employed or an employer, you pay for insurance where they have to tax dollars. If you don’t like what’s being offered by your employer or you’re not offered a plan and you go out of the individual market, you’re using after-tax dollars.

Another one, transparency. Why shouldn’t clinics and hospitals post prices for all their services? You’ll see some very strange things emerge. For example, a friend of mine in Hampshire, a couple of years ago, had some heart thing so he went to the cardiologist. One of the things the cardiologist recommended to him was he should take what they call a nuclear stress test where they pump something in your body and they watch it flow through your blood stream or whatever. He then innocently asked the doctor, “What does it cost?” The doctor said, “I have no idea. Insurance will cover it.” You don’t get the pricing system. This guy, being an entrepreneur, went out of great effort to his colleagues, got the prices of a nuclear stress test which is a routine, everyone does it the same way, so there’s no difference in quality. He went to some 25 clinics and hospitals and got prices. He pried them out and they ranged from $1,450 to $7,300 for same tests. Have posting of prices so you can compare. Especially now as we’re getting more and more high-deductible plans, we need to see those prices.

Another thing, how about hospitals posting how many patients die of infections after they’re admitted to the hospital? You want to know a hospital that seems to have a problem. You want to step away from that one and go to one that seems to know how to keep these things under control. There are a lot of useful reforms. Another one which I hope the Republicans, despite their floundering, get to is giving governors of states more discretion to reform Medicaid within their states. I think you’re going to see some very interesting things happen if they get that power, where you actually will save money and get better outcomes and make patients happier. For example, Rhode Island did a little bit of it a few years ago. One of the things they discovered is that instead of forcing patients to go into institutions, they did much better when they had homecare. Homecare was much cheaper than putting them in an institution and the patient was happier, so win-win all around. Give some flexibility and I think you’ll see some real positive reforms.

The second part was the tax code because you wanted a flat tax. Do you think we’ll ever see that and why not?

We’re not going to get it this round, but I hope this round we get some big cuts perhaps on the business side and some cuts on the personal side. I think the real cleanup of the code will come hopefully after next year’s midterm elections. When Reagan was president, he had a big across-the-board tax cut in 1981 and then in the second term, they really did a clean-out of the code of tax shelters. Then they made some other reforms, simplified the code, got two tax brackets, cut the top rate down to 28%. After cleaning the code, it passed the Senate 97 to 3. I hope after the elections, there’ll be a mandate, “People like tax cuts. They want simplification.” What they’re going to discover, the reason why I’m somewhat optimistic, is if you touch one deduction, you’re going to have to hit all of them. That’s what the flat tax does is sweep them away.

If people are hung up on their tax deductions, even though my flat tax is designed in a way that everyone gets a tax cut, people just won’t believe it. If you do a variation of what Hong Kong does, this gives people a choice. You can go with the new simplified system or you can just punch a few things on your computer or fill out a sheet of paper and you’re done or if you want to torture yourself you can stay with the old, see which one is better. I think that would help.

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The last one was about The Fed. I’ve interviewed John Tamny about his book. He didn’t think we needed The Fed, you’re saying maybe reform and all that. Do you think that we’re going to see any changes to The Fed when we go back to the gold standard? What do you think of that?

Maybe The Fed will disappear someday, but like healthcare we have to do it step by step to make it happen. That’s why I hope the Trump administration uses this opportunity to start making reforms. One is to realize the need for a stable dollar, reduce The Fed’s bloated portfolio. The Fed is thinking about it. Maybe they should be forced to do it now and let that money go to work in the economy and stop over-regulating banks. Jamie Dimon, the head of JP Morgan Chase said that because of regulations, between $1.5 trillion to $2 trillion of loans were not made that otherwise would have been made. Most of those would have been for small and new businesses. Huge cost on the economy, these regs. Then ultimately, we have to make sure someday economists and pundits and politicians and business types recognize what money is. It’s not, in and of itself, wealth. Money is a measure of value, like a scale is a measure of weight or a clock a measure of time. It’s like a claim check. You go to a restaurant, you park your coat and you get a coat check. It’s a worthless piece of plastic or paper but it represents a claim on a real thing. You buy a ticket to an event, whether it’s on handheld or a piece of paper, worthless in and of itself, but a claim on a real service. Money is like a claim check. Therefore, trying to manipulate the value of the claim check just distorts the marketplace, just as if you continue to change weights and measures each day. If pound was fourteen ounces one day, twenty the next, life would be chaotic. Imagine floating the clock, 60 minutes an hour one day and 80 minutes the next.

People grasp that, they can see how utterly delusional and destructive this thing of trying to manipulate how you measure the value of things is. Keep it steady. Gold, for reasons we explain in the book, for 4,000 years performed the job better than anything else. Under the gold standard which we had in this country for our first180 years of existence, from the time of George Washington and Alexander Hamilton to the 1970s, during that time for all the turmoil, wars, civil war, world wars, depressions, through all of that, the average growth rate of about 3.5%in the US was the highest in human history. Since we went off the gold standard, the average has plummeted. If we’d maintained that 180-year average after the 1970s, our economy today would be 50%larger. That’s in having 50% higher income, life would be a lot better.

I love to read your work because you’re an educator. You have your magazine, you have the website, you have interviews and now you have the Forbes School of Business and Technology, which was a natural extension. You know so much about so many different things. As a leader and you’re trying to hire people that are going to make your company go to the next level, what are you looking for in graduates and potential employees? What do you think is the future of education and what should we look for in our potential hires?

What you’re trying to find is somebody who is disciplined, sticktoitiveness, maybe brings some particular skills to the table and the possibility of being able to develop or acquire other skills as well, somebody who can grow. It also depends on what you’re looking for at the time. Like baseball, you may be looking for a pitcher one day and a utility infielder the next. This is where education, especially for-profits emerging from the attacks of the previous regime, can perform a very highly useful role and that is providing specific skills and doing it at a fraction of the cost of some traditional universities and colleges. One of the nice things about high tech is you can do education throughout your life. It’s not one time and then that’s it. The future is wide open, and you’re going to see a lot of entrepreneurships start to emerge in ways that people go to school. Rich Karlgaard, our futurist guru publisher at Forbes once pointed out what he did. He did two years in a community college and then went on to Stanford University. You can go two years of a community college and then go to a state school and save yourself a bundle of money. Why does it take four years to get a degree? Summer time, “I love doing nothing,” than getting the job and getting paid. Perhaps you take five weeks off and then go back to school and get it done in two and a half, three years, and be done with it. A lot of changes are going to come.

One of the things that young people should keep in mind is not everyone is going to win a Nobel Prize. Not everyone is going to play at Wimbledon or be on the PGA Tour. What you want to do is you have a knack for something, great, develop it. Also, in your quiver, have a few other skills that someday you might need. For example Dilbert, the comic strip by Scott Adams. He was an okay illustrator, not great, wasn’t going to be put on The Metropolitan or be asked to do ceilings at the Vatican. He was an okay writer, decent, respectable, but not great. He was an okay businessman. He was in the corporate world for a number of years, which provided him considerable grist for his mill. He took these skills and none of them were world-beaters, and put them together for an outstandingly successful comic strip, Dilbert. The ingredients for a cake or a meal or something, the ingredients in and of themselves may not be much but if you put them together and it can be a wow experience.

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Reviving America: If you have a knack for something, develop it and have a few other skills that someday you might need.

I agree and I think you gave some great advice there because I think that there are so many leaders that are out there that just need to find the different ways to become educated in unique ways. I’m very curious to see how that’s going to change. You’ve done so many things to keep up with innovation and technology and you’ve written so many books. You keep churning out so many, I’m very curious to read the next ones. For now, if somebody wants to read your current book, how can they find that?

They can find it online at Amazon or Barnes & Noble, maybe the bookstores may have them but it’s just very easy to click online and they’ll have it to you in a matter of hours.

Thank you so much, Steve. It was so nice of you to be on the show. I always enjoy meeting you and seeing you at all of the events. You’ve always been so gracious and it’s been very fun to get a little more insight from you.

Thank you. It was good fun to be with you, Diane.

I want to thank Steve for being my guest. It’s so nice of you, Steve. Thank you so much. You’re always so fascinating and I look forward to seeing you at all of the events. I don’t know if any of you go to any of these Forbes Summits but they are just amazing. I have attended several from the CMO Summits to the Midwestern. They’ve had been reinventing the Midwest types of summits and the Women’s Summit. They’re very hard to get into, to be honest with you, but if you can ever get to go to one of these things, they are amazing. He’s also got the cruises he does where they invite people like Rich Karlgaard, Mark Mills, who’s been on my show, and a lot of others. They go on these cruises and have these top speakers share content and information. I love everything that I’ve been associated with at Forbes. I ran the MBA program at the Forbes School of Business and I have worked with the school since 2006 prior to even being associated with Forbes. What led to making this show so interesting was a lot of the people I had met through my association with Steve and the people at Forbes, we get a lot of the Forbes 30 Under 30s on the show and they are just so innovative. If you go to, you can see a lot of the guests that we’ve had in the past and many of them are Forbes related in some aspect. These 30 Under 30 guests have created apps, they’ve done other things that have made them stand out at such an amazing age, people like Tai Tran, Brian Wong, Anda Gansca. You look at the list of some of these people of what they’ve done, it’s just amazing.

I’m just taking this time because it’s hard to figure out who you’re going to line up with Steve Forbes because people would be lining up. They all want to be on the same show with Steve. I decided to give Steve this entire show and take the rest of it just to talk to you a little bit. I also want to give you a little bit of background about the show and what we’re trying to do. It’s a show dedicated to success and leadership and I have so many CEOs and C-level executives, just very successful individuals whom I like to interview just to share what they’re doing. It’s challenging sometimes because it gets so busy that I’m booking four or five months ahead sometimes and I have to not be able to interview everybody I’d like to interview. The good news is that we’ve got great listenership and we’re on so many stations. In addition to being on the AMFM stations that we’re syndicated on, we’re also on Roku, iHeart, iTunes, you name it. We’re always looking for good sponsors that we can have associated with the show, affiliate marketers and that type of thing. It’s helpful to just see what we’re doing by going to iTunes and checking out the podcast. You can download them or you can go to my site at, and other things that are associated with my site so that you know what else I do.

In addition to this show and in addition to teaching for seven online universities, I do a few things. I have taught more than 1,000 business related courses. I’ve taught everything from undergrad, grad and doctorate level students. I’ve worked as a doctoral mentor to get students through their dissertation. I use a lot of the information that I’ve learned through my teaching and through this show. We share a lot of information and some of that can be really helpful when I teach because I can use a lot of that content within the classrooms. I have a lot of courses I teach in marketing for example and we get a lot of social media experts or branding experts and that is something that I would maybe direct them to the show. I could see that there’s a lot of potential for companies that want to associate with us. If you do have an interest in being a sponsor or being an affiliate with the show, I would welcome the opportunity to talk to you about that. I know we only have so much room but it’s such an amazing platform to reach people. I think that we’re going to start seeing a lot more people doing what I’m doing here, which is you have your way of having your own broadcasting system. Whether it’s this or through my videos or through whatever, we’re able to reach people and people can sign up to receive the shows when they come out and be notified. I think it’s taking the place of what we used to do in terms of television and radio and just having such limited options.

As far as having Steve on the show, it’s amazing to me to see what you can learn from each guest. Every time I interview somebody, I learn something new. Every time I teach a course, I learn something new. A lot of the things that we’re talking about on these shows, leaders need to embrace. I do a lot of consulting and in my consulting and speaking, usually the top requested things that people want me to come talk to them about are soft skills, engagement, culture, generational conflict and those are the kinds of things that you’re going to hear a lot on this show. It’s important to just showcase what we do here. After recording hundreds of episodes, I finally decided to take this one to do that. It’s a good opportunity for anyone interested in knowing what we do here to find out more. Just for those of you who are interested, I am available through LinkedIn and my website and Twitter and everything is all @DrDianeHamilton. I accept all invitations on LinkedIn but I wanted you to know just a little bit more about the show and what we do. I hope that all of you, if you’re using iTunes, please rate the show because we always love to hear great testimonials and I hope that you sign up and continue to listen.

I’d like to mention the videography type of things that we offer now. I don’t know how many of you have seen my YouTube station but if you haven’t, I have interviewed some really successful individuals. Ken Fisher, the billionaire behind Fisher Investments, Olin Oedekoven, the CEO of very successful Peregrine, John Tamny, who we talked about on the show who is a big writer for Forbes and an author. A lot of very successful individuals have been part of my video interviewing. One of the services I’m starting to offer is for companies who want to showcase an individual on a video for their site to showcase what they do or their products or whatever they’re interested in. I’m starting to do more of that with companies. If you’re interested in creating a video that can be placed on YouTube and different locations, please get a hold of me and we can see if we offer something that could be beneficial to you. Videos are always showcased on my sites, YouTube, Twitter, LinkedIn, etc. Those are the types of services we offer and we have some great guests. I do work with guests who have books that are coming out and they need something released maybe at a certain time. If you have something special and you are working with me as a guest, please let me know when that release is and we can see what we can do to speed things up if that’s the case.

That’s the focus of the show. We want to get people out there that are successful leaders to share their success with people so people can learn to emulate what they’ve done. We’ve had some of the most unbelievable guests and I hope to continue to have interviews with some more amazing guests. There’s just a bottomless well. It continues to amaze me of how many people I can find to interview that have something new and different to share with everybody. If you have any input that you’d like to share or something that you would like to hear about on the show, something we haven’t covered or any questions, please contact me. You can always email me at You could find all of my contact information at That will do it for this show. Thank you, Steve Forbes. You were awesome. I thoroughly enjoyed it and I hope everybody checks out his books and website. Everybody come back for the next episode of Take the Lead Radio.

About Steve Forbes:

Steve Forbes is Chairman and Editor-in-Chief of Forbes Media. Steve is the authored or co-authored many best-selling books. His latest book is titled Reviving America: How Repealing Obamacare, Replacing the Tax Code and Reforming the Fed will Restore Hope and Prosperity. Steve writes editorials for each issue of Forbes under the heading of “Fact and Comment.” A widely respected economic prognosticator, he is the only writer to have won the highly prestigious Crystal Owl Award four times. In both 1996 and 2000, Steve campaigned vigorously for the Republican nomination for the Presidency. Key to his platform were a flat tax, medical savings accounts, a new Social Security system for working Americans, parental choice of schools for their children, term limits and a strong national defense. Steve continues to energetically promote this agenda.


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